Part 3

  • Real Psychological Theorist: ok so
  • Questioning: and btw who is the moderator?
  • Real Psychological Theorist: there's this girl i want to ask out
  • Not Questioning Anymore!: DO IT
  • Real Psychological Theorist: and we're both gta v fans
  • Not Questioning Anymore!: just do it
  • Wondering: how do i become a chat mod?
  • Real Psychological Theorist: don't have that username, first off
  • Real Psychological Theorist: second off, don't ask
  • Real Psychological Theorist: third off, you don't
  • Real Psychological Theorist?: literally the ONLY reason new users want moderator is because they want power
  • Real Psychological Theorist?: I used to want moderator because a long time ago i was actually a decent user
  • Real Psychological Theorist?: and i helped people
  • Fake "Psychological" Theorist: and i was nice

Part 2

  • Excited: Check this guy out [video link no one clicked]
  • Real Psychological Theorist: nah, check me out
  • Real Psychological Theorist: i'm hawt as hell
  • Real Psychological Theorist: nah i'm hotter than hell
  • Real Psychological Theorist: if hell was even real
  • Anarchist: Psh.
  • Real Psychological Theorist: if hell was real, and scientists got sent there, you have to figure that by now they have air conditioning, Minecraft, chemistry, a public school system, and probably a crappy government
  • Anarchist: God is dead.
  • Clueless: umm how do you get a chat log page?
  • Real Psychological Theorist: I'm willing to bet it's like real life with a rocky brimstone roof
  • Innocent: I don't understand the hate for any religion or lack of :\
  • Real Psychological Theorist: um
  • Real Psychological Theorist: i can understand the hate for religious extremism
  • Real Psychological Theorist: but most religions have, at their base, the same basic idea
  • Informed: Probably because religion is against a lot of things that society has now deemed to be "ok."
  • Standing Here: i dont have a religion
  • Real Psychological Theorist: therein lies the problem
  • Anarchist: I'm a religious bigot (:
  • Innocent: Time for a topic change, maybe?
  • Informed: Yes.
  • ANARCHIST: JESUS WAS MENTALLY ILL

Psychology: Part 1

  • Real Psychologist: innocence is a human construct based upon the presumption that there can be flawless human behaviour
  • Real Psychologist: it's a stupid concept
  • Sheeple: Very.
  • Doesn't Care: Psychologist
  • Doesn't Care: Nobody cares
  • ToothpickFarter: Leo winning the Oscar is like me farting on a toothpick. It only happened once.
  • Real Psychologist: um
  • Real? Psychologist: yeah ok
  • Real? Psychologist?: i mean, you know
  • Real Psychological Theorist: psychological theorists care

CCC discusses security, part 6: malware that could bake someone alive

  • Skepticism: @steve jobs in all seriousness, is "malware that could bake someone alive" even possible?
  • Sassy ass mod: if you work with machines that can already bake people alive
  • Sassy ass mod: protip: you don't
  • Steve Jobs: back
  • Steve Jobs: Skepticism: yes it is
  • Steve Jobs: I had a proof of concept lined up and everything.
  • Steve Jobs: Basically, first we interfere with a smarthome's locks to lock the person in,
  • Skepticism: in where?
  • Steve Jobs: then interfere with the HVAC controls to crank up the heat, and heat them until they die.
  • Steve Jobs: But we'd only test this, and never harm an actual person.
  • Steve Jobs: just show it was possible.
  • Steve Jobs: then we'd build defenses against this.
  • Steve Jobs: but nobody wanted to work on it, which is sad.
  • Clash of clans: yeah but i wanna be helping with the password idea thing
  • Steve Jobs: I'll put something together over the weekend.
  • Fisher price: All electronics are hackable
  • Fisher price: But do they get hacked? Not usually
  • Lizard Squad: FBI: We need you to hack this person's iPhone so we can look at their stuff
  • Steve Jobs: @Fisher price, this was merely a proof of concept.
  • Steve Jobs: You have do admit though: It's an intriguing idea.
  • Fisher price: Possible, yes. Plausible, no.
  • Steve Jobs: interesting: HELL YEAH!
  • Steve Jobs: and that's the most important par.
  • Steve Jobs: part.
  • Skepticism: honestly, the best you can do now is try to get staff to implement helios wiki wide
  • Skepticism: but like usual, they are working on PI
  • Fisher price: Well, I'm out... Cya o/
  • Steve Jobs: C U Later
  • ~ Fisher price has left the chat ~
  • ~ Skepticism has left the chat ~
  • ~ Steve Jobs has left the chat ~

CCC discusses security, part 5: That doesn't sound realistic?

  • Steve Jobs: What about an automated tool that you can use if you find a file with malware, which autoalerts staff, law enforcement, and anti-malware software providers?
  • Steve Jobs: "Oh crap, this file has a toxic payload!" "Click" and automated emails are sent to the proper authorities.
  • Reasonable: That doesn't sound realistic?
  • Steve Jobs: It's completely realistic.
  • Skepticism: does staff even run antivirus on the wiki farm?
  • Steve Jobs: Special:Contact has a form for sending emails to staff.
  • Steve Jobs: This would just be that, but more automated and specific.
  • Reasonable: Well, you also included law enforcement in there
  • Steve Jobs: I don't know how you would do that reliably.
  • Steve Jobs: What's wrong with including law enforcement?
  • Steve Jobs: There are government task forces for this sort of thing.
  • Skepticism: how about simply notifying local admins to delete the file?
  • Steve Jobs: That too.
  • Clash of clans: yeah that's the best idea I've herd all day
  • Clash of clans: so we all agree?
  • Steve Jobs: So the automated notification tool is a good idea,
  • Reasonable: No I'm just saying it doesn't sound realistic to make an automated tool that sends malware to actual law enforcement agencies because I think they have a lot of things to deal with other than patrolling wikia for files containing viruses and actually setting something up like that would be a legal nightmare
  • Skepticism: no
  • Clash of clans: yeah
  • Probably Anonymous: Imagine if malware actually took over the internet, and instead of warning people against malware, they warn people against anti-virus softwares. That would be so :O
  • Steve Jobs: The email would merely say something along the lines of "this file may contain malware, please investigate it further."
  • Clash of clans: hey that sounds good
  • Steve Jobs: afk
  • Steve Jobs: gottapee

CCC discusses security, part 4: but you're thinking, so +1 point to you!

  • Steve Jobs: other security tool ideas?
  • Clash of clans: pins, passwords
  • Skepticism: staff already rejected 2 factor last time it was brought up
  • Steve Jobs: that's why I'm looking at this from a community perspective.
  • Steve Jobs: Staff isn't up to the challenge.
  • Steve Jobs: So it's time for us to armor up in our war of defense.
  • Clash of clans: wait are you talking about clash of clans?
  • Steve Jobs: no.
  • Steve Jobs: cybersecurity.
  • Fisher price: I know what a good security idea is! Strong passwords! :P
  • Steve Jobs: My senior project for my computer science degree was going to be defending against malware that could bake someone alive, but nobody wanted to work on it.
  • Steve Jobs: Apparently, it was too disturbing.
  • The only guy who knows anything: Strong passwords don't mean much when they have a script that literally takes your password when you log in :O
  • Clash of clans: how about really long passwords
  • Skepticism: "My senior project for my computer science degree was going to be defending against malware that could bake someone alive, but nobody wanted to work on it." description right there is why refusal
  • Clash of clans: any ideas on about long passwords
  • Probably Anonymous: What would happen if someone tried making a malware wiki? (I wouldn't do it).
  • Steve Jobs: Actually, once passwords reach a certain length, it's kind of a moot point.
  • Steve Jobs: Due to hash collisions.
  • Steve Jobs: but you're thinking, so +1 point to you!
  • Clash of clans: how about a 7 letter passwords
  • Steve Jobs: no.
  • Steve Jobs: In modern standards, anything less than 10 is unsafe.
  • Clash of clans: 5 letter
  • Steve Jobs: What about a tool that blocks users from creating passwords less than a certain length?
  • Fisher price: Maybe create a password solely in binary? :P
  • Lizard Squad: Anonymous http://malware.wikia.com
  • Probably Anonymous: If a person created a wiki with pages that contained information and external links to places where users could get malware, and use it on other people's computers.
  • Clash of clans: yeah sounds cool

CCC discusses security, part 3: honey, that's wikitext

  • Steve Jobs: What about a hash verifier for payloads?
  • Fisher price: Hm... SecureSessions could be a cool tool to have on Wikia
  • Skepticism: welp i don't expect an increase in security besides logging in via cc
  • Skepticism: that being said, how secure is helios anyways?
  • Steve Jobs: I suspect it's mediocre at best.
  • Skepticism: could always do what wikipedia does for login but oh well
  • Steve Jobs: @Fisher price, hash verifier: good or bad idea?
  • Skepticism: what hash are you checking?
  • Fisher price: ^
  • Steve Jobs: We'd be checking the hash of the article content,
  • Steve Jobs: image content,
  • Steve Jobs: the basics.
  • Skepticism: why article content?
  • Steve Jobs: Checking if the content was interfered with during transmission.
  • Steve Jobs: Because tampered article content could have a malware script injected into it, during transmission.
  • Skepticism: wait what? how is malicous content getting injected into articles?
  • Steve Jobs: The usual
  • Steve Jobs: Interfering with payloads, during transmission.
  • Skepticism: honestly, i'd love for you to prove that on wikia somehow
  • Steve Jobs: Don't need to.
  • Fisher price: I'm not sure how that data would work correctly to insert into MediaWiki
  • Sassy ass mod: MW has a built in hash verifier
  • Sassy ass mod: if you're concerned with that, use the API
  • Steve Jobs: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/cbw/pdf/pam08_security.pdf
  • Chef Boyardee: what is a hash? do you mean your eating hashbrowns?
  • Steve Jobs: No.
  • Steve Jobs: A hash is a reduction of a block of data,
  • Steve Jobs: for verification reasons,
  • Chef Boyardee: huh?
  • Steve Jobs: do detect if two things are equal or if something were modified.
  • Skepticism: is the built in hash verifier automatic?
  • Sassy ass mod: probably not
  • Sassy ass mod: you can't inject malware into wikitext anyway tho that's ridiculous
  • Steve Jobs: I'm not talking about the wikitext.
  • Steve Jobs: I'm referring to the actual transmitted text, having it injected during transmission.
  • Sassy ass mod: honey that's wikitext
  • Fisher price: How? @Steve Jobs
  • Steve Jobs: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/cbw/pdf/pam08_security.pdf
  • Steve Jobs: like this.
  • Sassy ass mod: the worst someone could do is change your edit from a typo fix to "butts"
  • Steve Jobs: user requests page, server provides page, during transmission, malware is injected via compromised router,
  • Sassy ass mod: ok honey
  • Steve Jobs: Why do you call me honey?
  • Steve Jobs: As the resident snarky queen, that's my job to call people honey!
  • Skepticism: probably b/c your ideas are a bit crazy
  • Steve Jobs: What's crazy about something that we've done over networks since the 70s?
  • Steve Jobs: And what's crazy about checking a vector of malware for malware?
  • Chef Boyarmean: i dunno shut up steve jobs no one understands you
  • Skepticism: "you can't inject malware into wikitext anyway tho that's ridiculous"
  • Skepticism: "honey that's wikitext"
  • Steve Jobs: I'm a college student.
  • Steve Jobs: I'm not talking about modifying the wikitext during transmission.
  • Skepticism: you want to create a vector full of malware? are you crazy/
  • Steve Jobs: I'm talking about the actual level 1/2 payload.
  • Skepticism: i'm saving this as pastebin
  • Steve Jobs: why?
  • Skepticism: b/c its entertaining
  • Steve Jobs: how is this entertaining?
  • Steve Jobs: @Skepticism, how is this entertaining?